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Post by Mike on Oct 13, 2008 16:18:29 GMT 1
Sorry if duplication but the flypast data (minus date has just appeared on their web site:
Flypast display running order unveiled
13/10/2008
The roar of engines from aircraft spanning 80 years will help to mark next week’s centenary of Samuel Cody’s historic first flight in Farnborough.
Aviation enthusiasts will be treated to a fabulous flypast by some of the UK’s best-loved and most exciting aircraft on Thursday.
While the flypast is being held at an invitation-only event at the Farnborough Air Sciences Trust (FAST) museum, anyone who happens to be at the east side of the airfield, on or around the Farnborough Road, should be able to get a perfect view of the display for free.
Colin Dodds, the flypast organiser, said the event was designed to celebrate a full century of British aviation as well as Cody’s achievement 100 years ago to the day.
“This is something we owe to Farnborough, because it is a fabulous place for British aviation,” he said.
The display will begin at 12 noon with a nod to Samuel Cody’s roots within the Army with a flypast by the Army Air Corps’ Apache attack helicopter, flown from the airbase at Middle Wallop, by Capt Thomson.
The running order of the Cody Centenary Flypast is as follows:
12noon: AAC Apache 1200 – 1203 depart North (Capt Thomson, Army Air Corps)
12.04pm: 1929 Gipsy Moth 1204 - 1206 depart north (Andrew Wood)
12.07pm: 1931 Tiger Moths and 1933 Rapide (Capts Jeff Milsom and John Dodd)
12.10pm: 1935 Avro Anson (John Turner)
12.13pm: 1935 Hawker Hurricane (Al Pinner)
12.15pm: 1948 Chipmunk (Chris Kelleher/Gerald Howarth)
12.19pm: 1952 Avro Vulcan (Martin Withers)
12.22pm: 1974 BAe Hawk (RAF 208 Sqn)
12.25pm: 1994 Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF 11 Sqn)
12.28pm: Boeing C-17 (RAF 99 Sqn)
12.31pm: Vulcan lands at Farnborough
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Post by Mike on Oct 15, 2008 18:29:21 GMT 1
Todays news report:
Industry leaders predict rise in pressure on Farnborough Airport By Pete Castle 15/10/2008
A squeeze on business jets at major airports around London will put more pressure to increase flights at Farnborough Airport, industry leaders have predicted.
The proposal to reduce the number of business aviation flights at Stansted Airport by almost half means that businessmen will look elsewhere — specifically Farnborough — if they want to fly private jets into London, the industry said last week.
The warning came from directors and managers of companies involved in business and general aviation at a meeting at Farnb-orough on Friday last week.
The meeting, organised by the Conservative Party, brought out some of the key concerns of the sector, one of the largest pro-viders of jobs in the area.
With London’s main airports increasingly being run for the benefit of commercial and scheduled aircraft operators, business jets were being “forced out” of the capital, the meeting was told.
The sole exception was Farnborough Airport, which is run solely for business jets, but the 28,000 limit on take-offs and landings was a constriction that could also affect business, the industry said.
Private jet charter airlines, helicopter operators and training providers were among those represented at the meeting at TAG Farnborough Airport’s terminal building.
The meeting was billed as an opportunity for the industry to pitch its concerns to the team that is likely to take control of the government within the next two years, if opinion polls are to be believed.
As well as a lack of capacity, industry leaders raised concerns that taxes designed to reduce carbon emissions would adversely hit their profits.
Aircraft operators also said that their unique selling point, speed, would be lost unless the government committed to improve infrastructure and concessions were made on fast-tracking business executives through immigration and security cordons at airports.
Aviation professionals also warned that travel to the 2012 Olympics in London could be a national embarrassment unless more emphasis was placed on the role of business aviation in getting people to the Games.
Speaking after the meeting, the town’s Tory MP Gerald Howarth said the exclusion of business jets from major airports would inevitably cause more pressure on business airports, such as Farnborough.
He warned that any more pressure on business aviation from regulation, planning constraints or extra taxes could cost Britain’s economy, as foreign executives might choose to fly into airports in continental Europe instead.
“If there is nowhere else to go, Paris Le Bourget airport has three times the available number of movements as Farnborough,” Mr Howarth said. “There is a real concern that the government is going to cripple this business. There is a risk that we could drive out investment in the country due to taxation proposals.”
He said that concerns over planning from airport operators were understandable, considering how long the government had taken to reach a decision over an increase in the number of weekend flights at Farnborough.
He said there was no conflict of interest between his job as a representative of the people of Aldershot, Farnborough, Yateley and Blackwater, and his Tory front bench role as a shadow defence minister and member of the cross-party Parliamentary aviation group.
“My constituents expect me to talk to everybody,” he said. “We are doing what people expect us to do, which is to engage with the business community and listen to what their concerns are.
“Farnborough has 100 years of aeronautical activity. But there is no support for turning this airfield into something used for Easyjet or British Airways. It cannot and will not happen.”
Geoff Marks, chairman of the Farnborough Airfield Residents’ Association, said that any changes to the current slow planning process would be welcome.
However, he said key decisions should still be made by locally elected politicians, or the democratic accountability of government would be undermined.
“I don’t believe that central government is best placed to make sure a proper balance is struck between the growth of an airport and the disbenefits felt by the local population,” he said.
“That can only be done democratically if local and national politicians in the area feel their positions may be at risk from their decisions.”
He added that airport operators only had themselves to blame for planning delays by applying for successive extensions to their operations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2008 16:16:17 GMT 1
Story from the Farnborough News on the police Airport Watch scheme... By Pete Castle 16/10/2008 Police are logging the details of plane spotters around Farnborough Airport in an effort to tackle terrorism... www.gethampshire.co.uk/news/s/2037452_planespotter_antiterror_planI'd be interested to hear your thoughts here but you can also post messages on the gethampshire site, if you have any thoughts you would like to share with its readers. What do you think?
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Post by Mike on Oct 16, 2008 18:00:41 GMT 1
Farnborough News full article by Pete Castle
Plane-spotter anti-terror plan By Pete Castle 16/10/2008
Police are logging the details of plane spotters around Farnborough Airport in an effort to tackle terrorism.
The scheme, run in conjunction with TAG Farnbor-ough Airport, has been drawn up in response to security concerns about the threat posed by criminals and “to defeat the terrorist threat”, the police said.
Nearly 100 aviation enthusiasts have so far signed up to the scheme.
The plane lovers will have to provide Hampshire Constabulary with their name, date of birth, place of birth, address, email address and vehicle details.
Police will then check the details against criminal records and “other systems” before issuing each individual with a membership card that will help identify people watching planes taking off and landing as having a legitimate reason for being there.
Hobby hassle
Aviation enthusiasts are hoping the scheme will leave them free to pursue their hobby without being hassled by the police.
Currently, due to special anti-terrorism powers, the police can, and frequently do, search any person or vehicle in a designated security-sensitive area, without needing any prior authoris-ation or having any suspicions that a crime could occur.
Due to the proximity to the airport and other military areas, the whole of Aldershot and Farnborough is designated a zone where such searches can be carried out at any time.
Police in Hampshire were the second highest users of stop and search powers under terrorism legislation in 2006-07 of all police forces in England, figures from the Ministry of Justice show.
There were 2,459 such searches in the county last year, making Hampshire second only to the Metropolitan Police for the number carried out under anti-terrorism legislation. That was despite a massive reduction from 7,027 the previous year.
Sgt Adam Henderson-Parish, the aviation watch scheme’s co-ordinator at Farnborough Police Station, said the aim was to create a “neighbourhood watch” for people around the airport.
“If they see anything suspicious, we can go out and check it out and we know the information has come from someone who is not just hanging around the airfield,” he said.
Criminal checks
Those in the scheme would be checked against criminal records to make sure they did not have convictions for any airport-related crimes, he said.
He added that the project was similar to those at other major airports such as Heathrow and Gatwick.
“It will make officers checking them more relaxed that they are there for a reason,” Sgt Henderson-Parish said.
“Because Farnborough Airport is designated as an area with a higher risk of terrorist attack, if we see people around the airfield they will be subject to checks and searches to make sure there is not a sinister reason for them to be there.
“Most people have a legitimate reason, and we are not there to stop them.”
One aircraft enthusiast, a member of an online forum about aviation who asked not to be named, said he and fellow airport watchers were often stopped and searched by the same constables.
Officers would hand them a form saying they were being searched under the Prevention of Terrorism Act and ask questions about what they were doing around the perimeter.
Narked
“Some members were getting a bit narked,” he said. “The vast majority of Farnborough police are no problem whatsoever. But you do get one or two who are a bit officious.”
One plane spotter told the enthusiast he had been stopped by the same police officer seven times.
“There are people who want to know what planes are coming in and who is in them,” the enthusiast said. “If we are suspicious about anyone, we can ring the police.
"We would do that anyway. But if the new scheme creates better feeling between us and the guys at the airfield then so be it.”
The enthusiast said he and most other spotters had “no problem” with giving their details to police to be held on a database and carrying an ID card.
TAG, the company that owns and runs the airport, said the new scheme would help police with security and build a relationship between the airport and another interest group in the community.
Brandon O’Reilly, TAG Farnborough Airport chief executive, said the scheme was not designed to protect the security of the airport’s high-profile celebrity clients.
He hoped to invite members of the scheme to visit the airport on official visits once or twice a year.
“We will bring them into the airport and show them around, to make them feel part of the airfield,” he said. “It is purely to reach out to another sector of the community.”
Mike
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Post by Mike on Oct 17, 2008 18:32:28 GMT 1
Another report from Pete Castle
Thatcher attends Cody centenary flypast By Pete Castle 17/10/2008
Former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was at Farnborough yesterday to celebrate the 100th anniversary of powered flight in Britain.
Exactly 100 years to the day after Samuel Franklin Cody made his historic first flight at Farnborough Common, Lady Thatcher was among the guests on Thursday to witness the unveiling of a new building housing a replica of Cody’s famous aircraft.
The enormous 52ft replica plane, built entirely by volunteers from FAST, the Farnborough Air Sciences Trust, is now on display to the public as part of Farnborough’s aviation museum.
A half-hour flypast of historic aircraft followed the unveiling ceremony, with the iconic delta-winged Vulcan bomber at the centrepiece of the display.
The flypast by the Vulcan came after it made its dramatic comeback to the Farnborough Airshow in July after a £7 million private refurbishment.
Sadly, unless a major corporate sponsor can be found to help fund the Vulcan to the Sky Trust in the coming months, last week’s flight over Farnborough could be the aircraft’s very last display.
The Vulcan’s visit last week was of particular significance as its pilot, Martin Withers, was among the crew sent to war by Lady Thatcher in 1982 to begin Britain’s attack on Argentinean forces in the Falklands.
The bombing raid on Port Stanley airfield, which lasted 15 hours 50 minutes, was at the time a world record for the longest bombing raid and won Withers a Distinguished Flying Cross.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2008 19:02:24 GMT 1
Sorry if this is a bit blatant but... Well done Pete Castle for getting that into print, a mix of what the editor wants & what you want to say. Thanks Terry
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Post by Admin (Annette Andria) on Oct 17, 2008 19:13:21 GMT 1
hi
Pete will be pleased to read this comment as he is a member of these Forums . we have Talked and emailed on a number of points so perhaps we can get our points over after All
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Post by Mike on Oct 19, 2008 9:18:21 GMT 1
Further report from the NEWS web site:
Thatcher attends Cody centenary flypast By Pete Castle 17/10/2008
Former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was in Farnborough on Thursday to celebrate the 100th anniversary of powered flight in Britain.
Exactly 100 years to the day after Samuel Franklin Cody made his historic first flight at Farnborough Common, Lady Thatcher was among the guests to witness the unveiling of a new building housing a replica of Cody’s famous aircraft.
The enormous 52ft replica plane, built entirely by volunteers from FAST, the Farnborough Air Sciences Trust, is now on display to the public as part of Farnborough’s aviation museum.
A half-hour flypast of historic aircraft followed the unveiling ceremony, with the iconic delta-winged Vulcan bomber at the centrepiece of the display.
The flypast by the Vulcan came after it made its dramatic comeback to the Farnborough Airshow in July after a £7 million private refurbishment.
Sadly, unless a major corporate sponsor can be found to help fund the Vulcan to the Sky Trust in the coming months, last week’s flight over Farnborough could be the aircraft’s very last display.
The Vulcan’s visit last week was of particular significance as its pilot, Martin Withers, was among the crew sent to war by Lady Thatcher in 1982 to begin Britain’s attack on Argentinean forces in the Falklands.
The bombing raid on Port Stanley airfield, which lasted 15 hours 50 minutes, was at the time a world record for the longest bombing raid and won Withers a Distinguished Flying Cross
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Post by Admin (Annette Andria) on Oct 19, 2008 11:12:43 GMT 1
I Will ask the Question Again "WHY WAS XH558 HERE" the same Really applies to the Other aircraft on the Ground . there was really nowhere to See them no Public viewing and the Whole Event was for CODY NOT THATCHER " With 558 Just up from major Engine change Why and what was the need to Land At FAB Rather than get it back to its Base Hanger and Safety now its stuck in the open here At FAB For anything like 2 to 3 weeks or PERMANENT Things i gather are that BAD Money thing Splashed all over BBC LOCAL news last Eve.
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Post by Buster the Bear on Oct 19, 2008 15:49:21 GMT 1
From XH558.com
Urgent Announcement Due to a brake unservicability problem XH558 will not be returning to Bruntingthorpe this weekend. It will be 2 - 3 weeks before a replacement brake is available and the aircraft will remain at Farnborough during these weeks . At present it is still planned to hold the welcome home day on Sunday for those who wish to show their continued support and celebrate the end of a first year of flying.
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Post by Mike on Oct 20, 2008 20:41:35 GMT 1
Latest from Farnborough News & Mail site - Just confirming that which has already been posted on this subject
Vulcan bomber grounded for three weeks
20/10/2008
The Vulcan bomber that landed at Farnborough on Thursday last week has been grounded at the airport for up to three weeks.
The XH558 Vulcan, the only airworthy model of its kind in the world, touched down at Farnborough on Thursday after taking part in the celebration fly-past to mark the 100th anniversary of Samuel Cody’s historic first flight in the UK.
The Cold War-era bomber, which was designed to carry Britain’s nuclear weapons into the Soviet union, had been due to fly out again on Saturday to take part in an air show in Leicestershire.
However the famous delta-winged plane was forced to stay at Farnborough after engineers found a fault in the braking system.
It is expected that XH558, which was decommissioned in 1993 and made its dramatic return to the Farnborough Airshow in July after a £7 million refurbishment, will be stuck in Farnborough for between two and three weeks until spare parts can be found.
As per Tony's comment what was the Vulcan & Maggie thatcher doing here other than to complement each other -There must have been other shows tat the pairing could have happened
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Post by Mike on Nov 12, 2008 21:33:04 GMT 1
Latest from Pete Castle dated today 12/11
Vulcan bomber roars away from Farnborough By Pete Castle 12/11/2008
The roar of the Vulcan bomber taking off from Farnborough Airport, possibly for the last time, brought people across the area to their windows on Wednesday afternoon.
The Cold War relic finally took to the sky at 1pm after several delays to its scheduled take-off.
The delta-winged former nuclear bomber had been stranded at Farnborough for almost a month after landing there following a flypast to celebrate Samuel Cody's centenary on October 16.
XH558, the only Vulcan left flying in the world, had been due to take part in the Armistice Day celebrations in Southampton before the departure of the QEII cruise liner on her final voyage to Dubai.
But another electrical problem grounded the plane for a further 24 hours, frustrating a large crowd of plane spotters who had gathered to watch the expected take-off on Tuesday afternoon.
It is thought Wednesday's flight to RAF Bruntingthorpe in Leicestershire could be the Vulcan's last unless major sponsorship can be found to secure its future.
The aircraft costs an average of £135,000 a month to keep flying.
Depsite a triumphant return to the skies this summer after a £7m refit, including wowing a bumper Farnborough Airshow crowd in July, donations and sponsorship money have dried up during the global fincial crisis.
If you go to the papers web site there is a very nice picture of the old girl getting airborn
Mike
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Post by Mike on Nov 24, 2008 19:12:38 GMT 1
Another snippet from the News TAG boss claims flight into record books
24/11/2008
FARNBOROUGH Airport was the venue for a triumphant homecoming on Sunday as TAG owner Aziz Ojjeh landed after flying a circumnavigation of the globe.
Mr Ojjeh’s circuit of the world over both North and South Poles has unofficially smashed the previous record, set in 1977 by a Pan Am 747 Jumbo.
The International Aeronautical Federation must first certify the details of the flight - which took 52 hours and 32 minutes - before it is confirmed as a new world record.
Mr Ojjeh took off from Farnborough on Friday at 10.05am, landing back here at 2.37pm on Sunday after refuelling stops in the Youkon Territories, Marshall Islands, New Zealand, Punta Arena and Cape Verde.
For more details, see this week's Farnborough News, out on Friday, November 28.
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Post by Admin (Annette Andria) on Nov 24, 2008 21:04:09 GMT 1
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This was HB-JEX Landed FAB sunday 23rd 2008 as XPOLAR 08 at 1437 GMT
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Post by Mike on Dec 29, 2008 12:48:53 GMT 1
Another interesting article for the locals to get their teeth into:- Airport looks to double number of flights By Lindsey Eudo-Mitchell 29/12/2008 An application to almost double the number of flights allowed at Farnborough Airport will be submitted next year. Forecasts in the operating company’s draft master plan show the company expects to be operating at 50,000 flights by 2018. The airport is currently capped at 28,000 and earlier this year went on the record to say that it would never operate at the 100,000 full physical capacity figure. Brandon O’Reilly, chief executive of TAG Farnborough Airport, said: “Nowhere in here does it say that we are going to go for 100,000 flights.” But he added: “Beyond 2019, we basically say that that is so far off in the future, it’s very difficult to predict what will be going on in the world with the economy. Therefore we do just say that it’s anticipated that demand for aviation will always grow and Farnborough is trying to accommodate that.” He also unveiled plans for Farnborough to become the first airport in the UK to ban all but the very quietest Chapter IV aircraft. The airport currently accommodates noisier Chapter III planes but complaints about noise have been the prime concern of residents during consultation. Mr O’Reilly said: “We formed the quiet flying programme which is aimed at working with the community and the aviation industry to find ways of controlling noise. “We are considering banning even Chapter III aircraft here and being a Chapter IV only airport. “If we do that we will be the only airport in the UK taking that initiative.” Mr O’Reilly said the plan had been carefully drawn up to try to balance the economic need for increased flights with the environmental impact that would have. He said increasing the number of flights at the airport would result in 1,500 new jobs for local people. Speaking to the News, he said: “This whole process is based around informing people about what is going on here at Farnborough.” The results of a first round of consultation held in the summer showed that about 70% of respondents felt better informed and 70% felt the airport was important to the economy. They also showed that approximately 90% were concerned about the impact the airport had on noise and the environment. The draft master plan was drawn up using results from the initial consultation and is another chance for people to have their say. Leaflets have been sent to homes within a two-mile radius of the airport, including Farnborough, Ash, Fleet, Deepcut, Farnham, Church Crookham, Aldershot, Weybourne and Frimley. Homes in Hale, Camberley, Crondall, Mytchett and Ewshot will also get the information which tells them where they can find the plan. As well as outlining plans for increased flight numbers and noise controls the document looks at ecology, public safety, environmental monitoring and sustainability and climate change. The full report and consultation documents will be available at www.tagconsultation.com. There will also be 11 public exhibitions for residents to find out more and ask the team responsible for creating the document any questions they might have. Geoff Marks, chairman of the Farnborough Airfield Residents’ Association (FARA), said that the plan did not seem to say anything new upon first reading. He said: “TAG’s ‘preliminary consultation’ has already confirmed that the vast majority of local residents oppose growth beyond the current limit of 28,000 movements per annum. “This message does not appear to have tempered TAG’s aspirations, despite their promise that the result would be taken into account. “All that can be said is that the feedback may have led to TAG deciding to widen this follow-up round of consultation from 13,000 to around 70,000 households. “Are they deliberately widening the consultation in an attempt to dilute the voices of those living close to the airport or under the flight path who have every reason to object to more flights disrupting their lives?” Regards Mike
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Post by Admin (Annette Andria) on Dec 29, 2008 16:02:00 GMT 1
Very likely this will become another Long drawn out Slanging match between the Anti everythings and TAG With little regard to the real views of the locals who i still say unless prompted say very little about Farnborough Airport that Effects them. The noise of Local traffic at times is far more disturbing drone and the Pullution can easily be seen and breathed in. What one wonders is is the Downturn is traffic will come into play as its being Said that BIZ-and private jet travel is Antisocial but i suspect this will only be a Short Term Blip.
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Post by Mike on Jan 4, 2009 12:01:19 GMT 1
Yet more from the local, basically a repeat of the one a couple of days back There is within the text a TAG web site thats worthy of viewing 'More flights will make the best use of airport' 2/ 1/2009 Increasing flights at Farnborough Airport will ensure best use is made of the existing infrastructure, according to TAG’s draft master plan. The document, which is available online now, outlines how the company sees the airport developing over the next ten years. Brandon O’Reilly, the chief executive of Tag Farnborough Airport, said the plan also gave an indicative view of changes up to 2030. He hopes people across the News area will get involved in the consultation and let the airport know what they think of the plans. Leaflets have been sent to homes in Farnborough, Ash, Fleet, Deepcut, Farnham, Church Crookham, Aldershot, Weybourne, Frimley, Hale, Camberley, Crondall, Mytchett and Ewshot. There will also be public exhibitions in Farnborough, Aldershot, North Camp, Crondall, Farnham, Ash, Deepcut, Fleet and Church Crookham. An additional public exhibition is being scheduled to take place in Mytchett so that people who live there do not have to travel so far to have a chance of asking questions. TAG’s management team, including Mr O’Reilly, who hopes to attend all of the dates, will be on hand to answer questions. There will also be feedback forms for people who do not have access to the internet or prefer to fill out a form while the subject is still fresh in their minds. As well as showing how the aerodrome expects to be hosting 50,000 flights by 2018, the plan outlines how TAG plans to control noise, environmental impact and public safety. Information on climate change, ecology and how expansion will contribute to the community, through jobs and visitors, is also detailed. Mr O’Reilly said the plan would give clarity, of a kind never achieved by the airport before, to people living in the area. The plan outlines TAG’s continued support for the biennial Farnborough Airshow, with last year’s event attracting orders totalling more than £44.35billion. It states: “TAG Farnborough Airport is now one of the most modern, high quality and efficient business aviation centres in Europe. “It is the pre-eminent business aviation airport in the UK and rivals the best in the world.” But the plan goes on to state: “At the airport’s current level of operation, the infrastructure is significantly under-utilised. “While the physical capacity of the airport could accommo-date up to approximately 100,000 air traffic movements a year, approximately 50,000 a year until 2019 is being considered in light of current safety and environmental constraints. “TAG is confident that the current runway, taxiways, aprons, passenger terminal, hangars and car parking facilities are sufficient to meet this level of future growth.” It says that extensive environmental monitoring has been undertaken and a quiet flying programme has been established to ensure that aircraft operating from Farnborough do so as quietly as possible. During an exclusive inter-view with the News, Mr O’Reilly confirmed that the noise generated by aircraft had been monitored from gardens under the flightpath. He said that Tag took noise “extremely seriously” and recognised that it was the prime concern of residents. From 2020 to 2030, the plan says, Farnborough Airport “will continue to strengthen its role as the leading European business aviation airport”. It adds: “Given the forecast growth of business aviation and the airport’s unique posi-tion as a dedicated business aviation airport, it is possible that further expansion of the use of the airport may be sought in the period 2020 to 2030.” The plan shows how flights have increased from 16,188 in 2003 to 26,507 in 2007. It states: “The airport provides significant benefits to the national, regional and local economies. This was recognised by stakeholders in their response to the preliminary consultation, in respect of the master plan, with 68% agreeing that the airport contribut-ed to the local and regional economies and 56% agreeing that it contributed to the nat-ional economy.” The number of flights to and from the airport is expected to increase by 10% in 2012 as a result of the Olympics being held in London. The full plan can be found, with consultation documents, at www.tagconsultation.com.
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Post by Mike on Jan 5, 2009 17:37:03 GMT 1
With respect to yesterdays posting the TAG exhibition will be in Princesmead Farnborough on the 6th & 10th NOT 6th through to 10th
Its the trouble when you don't jot things down at me age the old memory plays tricks on you
Mike
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Post by Mike on Jan 8, 2009 19:49:05 GMT 1
Next article from the local - See link to Council web site for a questionnaire Council: 'Your voice will be heard over airport' By Jack Sommers 6/ 1/2009 A consultation about Farnborough Airport, launched by Rushmoor Borough Council, will help shape the borough for the next ten years, its chief executive has said. The exercise, which is running alongside airport operator TAG’s own consultation, will make up part of the Rushmoor Local Plan. Both surveys follow the news that TAG hopes to gain permission to up the number of flights allowed at the airport from 28,000 a year to 50,000. The finished Rushmoor Local Plan will set out how the council sees the area developing in the long term. Andrew Lloyd, the council’s chief executive, is concerned that people might not realise there are two consultations. He called the council’s consultation, which is launched on January 12, “the first step” in drawing up the Rushmoor Local Plan. The document — due to be published in 2011 — will strongly influence whether permission is granted for everything from the number of flights at the airport to building new homes. It is replaced every 15 years and the council is starting to draw up the plan that will govern changes from 2011-26. The airport consultation focuses on the increase in flights but its results will be used to identify issues for the plan, such as the impact of an increased number of flights on people in the borough. The council will begin consulting on the Rushmoor Local Plan as a whole in the autumn. Mr Lloyd hopes as many people as possible will respond to the council’s airport consultation as well as taking part in TAG’s research. TAG has organised a number of exhibitions and has sent out 70,000 flyers to homes. The council is worried people may be confused and will respond either to TAG’s consultation or theirs, but not both. The council will make the decision over whether or not to grant planning permission for the increase in flights from 28,000 to 50,000 a year. Mr Lloyd said: “Our consultation is not just about the increase but the long-term future of the airport and its relationship with the borough. “We will take all the answers into account before we consult on a new Rushmoor Local Plan that applies to the whole borough, not just the airport.” He added that each plan acts as a foundation for its successor, so the results of this consultation should extend beyond 2026. The council’s airport consultation lasts until February 20. The questionnaire will ask whether people’s main concerns about the proposed increased flights are related to the environment, the economy or safety. It will gauge opinions on the airport’s biennial airshow and about the impact of the increase of flights on places near the airport, such as Cody Technology Park and Farnborough Industrial Estate. The questions to be included in the consultation were tested at a special event at the Princes Hall, Aldershot, in December. Members of the Rushmoor Citizens’ Panel answered the questions and gave feedback on whether they addressed their concerns. Residents will be able to say how they could be most inconvenienced by flight plans — at night, at the weekend or during the working week. People selected at random from across the borough will be canvassed by telephone. Mr Lloyd said: “We’re not talking yet about specific decisions like changing the noise levels allowed from the airport or saying we want to work towards revitalising certain areas of the borough.” He added: “The challenge to us as the local authority is to strike a balance between the wishes of the public and what we think needs to be done.” Council spokeswoman Karen Edwards said: “We want to give people the chance to influence the future of the borough, not just for them but for their children and their grandchildren.” She said the current Rushmoor Local Plan, which came into effect in 1996, has had a profound effect on the borough. The plan includes commitments to regenerate the Queensmead shopping centre in Farnborough and revitalise the town centre. It also says the borough needs more hotel accommodation. The Aviator Hotel opened in July last year. All responses will be given equal weight — it does not depend on how near you live to the airport. The council is set to complete a draft plan by February 2011. It will then be assessed, and possibly amended, by the government. The council expects to adopt the final version in October 2011. Mr Lloyd added: “Legally, we do not have to consult at this stage, but the councillors thought it would be best to do so. We’re consulting at this early stage and will be consulting every step of the way.” Copies of the questionnaire will be available at www.rushmoor.gov.uk from January 12, with paper copies available at the council offices in Farnborough Road. People will be able to request that copies be sent to them by telephoning the council on 01252 398398. Mike
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Post by Mike on Feb 10, 2009 21:18:06 GMT 1
Yet another survey - this one carried out by the Lib Dems - As reported in the News: Survey highlights opposition to flights expansion 9/ 2/2009 The majority of people living under the flightpath of Farnborough Airport are against any expansion in the number of flights, according to a survey. The Liberal Democrat survey is the fourth to hit the streets around the airfield in recent months, but is the first to explicitly show opposition or support for the airport’s expansion plans. More than half (52%) of respondents said that the current limit on the number of flights at the airport, 28,000 a year, should not be altered. In total, seven out of ten respondents said they were either against an increase in the number of flights or wanted to see a reduction. One in four (24%) responded that they would be happy to see a “modest increase” in flights, while one in 20 (5%) said they were in favour of TAG being allowed to host as many take-offs and landings as it wanted. The latest survey results were released this week in the wake of the announcement by TAG, the company that owns and operates the airfield, that it intends to apply for permission before the end of 2009 to operate almost twice as many flights into and out of the business airport. In a separate question, the Liberal Democrat organisers of the survey said that four-fifths of those who answered had endorsed their party’s policy statement on the airfield’s development. The policy is to oppose major expansion of the airport but to maintain the small business jet facility that is already there. Cllr Adrian Collett, the leader of the Liberal Democrat opposition group on Hampshire County Council, said the results showed that his party was the only group to reflect public opinion on the future of the airport by resisting its expansion. “The public’s response to our plan shows people recognise the importance of the airfield, but feel there should be limits on what the airfield can do,” Cllr Collett said. “It is important that decisions about the future of the airfield are made not only in the interests of TAG’s bottom line, but also to deal with the genuine concerns of local residents while preserving and enhancing Farnborough’s very proud reputation in the history of aviation.” Cllr Charlie Fraser-Fleming, who represents the Mayfield ward in Farnborough for the Lib Dems, said that TAG should make more of Farnborough’s aviation heritage as the cradle of British aviation and involve more people in its history to “foster pride in the town”. More than one in ten people who responded to the survey had some connection with the airfield, either working there now or having worked there when it was the home of the Royal Aircraft Establishment, the former secret government research facility for military aircraft. The results of the survey were released this week after 522 questionnaires were collected from the 2,000 distributed in Farnborough’s Knellwood ward, which covers the area to the east of the airport’s main runway. People are still able to respond online by visiting www.tinurl.com/airfieldsurvey. Cllr Roland Dibbs, the deputy leader of Rushmoor Borough Council, dismissed the claims of the ruling Conservative group’s rivals as “political posturing” and described their policy statement as “pointless”. “What the Lib Dems do is entirely up to them. I don’t care what they are trying to do. I will leave it up to them,” he said. “But any survey they do has absolutely no standing at all. It is a pointless exercise.” Cllr Dibbs, who represents the Knellwood ward, said that if people wanted to make a genuine contribution to the future planning policies of the council they should take part in Rushmoor’s official consultation, which closes on February 20. He added that his party was unlikely to come out with their own policy statement on development of the airfield, as to do so would leave the majority of councillors at the council ineligible to vote on any future planning application made by TAG. The Lib Dem survey also showed that just over half of those questioned said aircraft using the airport disturbed them, with around one in six (18%) saying they found the disturbance “very annoying”. However, more than a third (37%) said the disturbance was “minor” and 13% reported no disturbance at all. Of those who said they were disturbed in some degree, the vast majority (91%) reported noise as the most intrusive factor. Seven out of ten respondents were concerned about the safety aspect of low-flying aircraft passing overhead as they came in to land. Part of the area in Farnborough Park is covered by a ‘public safety zone’, the area in which a crash is most likely and in which building development is restricted. Rushmoor Borough Council’s official consultation on the future development of the airport and the land surrounding it is continuing. A telephone survey, by an independent polling company, of 600 households selected at random from across Farnborough and Aldershot has now been completed. The survey cost the council £7,250. There have been more than 200 official responses to the online survey and 37 paper questionnaires sent in so far. I never seem to be included in these suveys!!!! Mike
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Post by Admin (Annette Andria) on Feb 10, 2009 21:47:29 GMT 1
you and me also . And try posting letters supporting Tag they will not appear or be Hacked about the Problem is if they ask the Farnborough people the real people they would get what they know is true but will never Accept that the Vast Majority of people do not even notice the Airport. but that will never ever be Allowed to be said or printed. Talk of ZONES of safety still bring stares of well planes CRASH yes so does everything Else so in that case why has council allowed 400+ houses Called Farnborough Central by RAE Traffic lights + 400 more by Queens hotel on RAE Land : well they are away from the runway "ahh i see planes only crash on the Runway interesting so the Fact you allowed the collage to Expand Dead in line with the runway is ok ? NO COMMENT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 21:35:47 GMT 1
Good arguments well made Peter. If anyone does make any comments on the TAG site, I would encorouge them to make the case for areas where spotters can practise their legal hobby without let or hinderance.
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Post by Mike on Mar 16, 2009 20:14:09 GMT 1
See below for todays redition from the local:
Airport jets have 'appalling' green record By Pete Castle March 16, 2009
Private jet passengers at Farnborough Airport cause more damage to the environment than users of any form of transport except space travel, according to green campaigners.
The claim comes after the airport’s bosses revealed that each aircraft using the airport has, on average, just two or three passengers on board. Brandon O’Reilly, the chief executive of TAG Farnborough Airport, the company that owns and operates the airfield, said that on a fairly typical day last week there were just 2.7 passengers per flight, adding that the actual average figure could be even lower.
TAG’s revelation has caused outrage among environmental groups. Hugh Sheppard, of the Campaign for the Protection of Rural England (CPRE), said the figures had revealed the “gross inefficiency” of private jets.
Mr Sheppard, who is chairman of the CPRE’s north-east Hampshire district, said that users of business flights should pay for environmental damage, which at present is only dealt with under a voluntary carbon offset scheme.
He said that at last week’s meeting of the Farnborough Aerodrome Consultative Committee (FACC), Mr O’Reilly had accepted that an average figure of 2.5 passengers per aircraft using Farnborough was probably fair.
“This shows the gross inefficiency of business flights, particularly as business flights encompass taxi services used for all manner of leisure and business uses,” he said.
“If we are interested in addressing climate change, one option might be to see if efficiency could be improved in terms of load factor. Were each plane to have just one more person on board, this alone would reduce the present 28,000 movements a year to around 20,000.”
Mr Sheppard said that only astronauts had a worse carbon-per-mile emissions record than users of private jets.
As well as consuming huge amounts of fuel, aviation is particularly damaging to the environment because the gases are created high in the atmosphere, scientists believe.
Aviation causes around 6% of total UK carbon dioxide — the chief contributor to man-made climate change. Compared with other forms of travel, such as car, train or bus, it emits the most carbon for every mile travelled per passenger.
A single round trip in a commercial airliner from London to Paris creates 0.13 tons of carbon dioxide per passenger, according to carbon offsetting company Carbon Footprint. The same journey by train creates just 0.02 tons, less than a sixth of the aviation amount.
Research by the Aviation Environment Federation shows that business aviation can cause around eight times as much carbon emissions per passenger than commercial aviation.
James Page, a Green Party activist who campaigned against the expansion of weekend flights at Farnborough, said business jets were “an appalling use of the Earth’s resources”.
“I am appalled at the figures. It is worse than I thought,” he said. “To talk about increasing the number of flights when the government is committed to cutting carbon emissions by 80% by 2050 is atrocious.”
Mr Page said that while TAG had dedicated five pages of its recent master plan on the future of Farnborough Airport to “sustainability and climate change”, its proposals had not identified the overwhelming cause of the problem — the amounts of carbon emissions from private jets.
TAG’s proposals focus on ways of decreasing the carbon footprint of the airport itself, rather than aircraft using its runways. The company intends to build solar panels, a combined heat and power generator, and a wind turbine to decrease emissions.
TAG wants to make aircraft operators pay for emissions of nitrous oxide, a dangerous air pollutant. The company said the airport would aim to become “carbon neutral” within ten years by working with aircraft operators, although it did not specify how it would do this.
Farnborough Airport may become the latest target of protest groups committed to taking direct action against the aviation industry. Plane Stupid said it could not rule out action against TAG.
The group shut down Stansted Airport for several hours in December last year by invading the runway.
Spokeswoman Wiz Baines said TAG’s proposal to increase flights at Farnborough was “outrageous”.
“More and more people are concerned about climate change. The impact on people’s lives is potentially devastating,” she said. “This is the elite end of the population taking flights that are the most polluting. There is no way they should be expanding, given what is happening with climate change.”
Improvements in technology meant more business meetings could now be held by video link, she said.
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Surley this is what business flying is all about & what Farnborough is in existance to serve, or have I got my thought process wrong
Mike
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Post by Admin (Annette Andria) on Mar 16, 2009 21:10:20 GMT 1
What is not mentioned is the Security aspect of flying high profile Management and Government officials in the Dangerous world we live in . But looking at farnborough without The Airfield and the likely building of thousands of houses and Factorys which in turn leads to more Traffic average 2 cars per House +the Service Vehicles and Delivery traffic . all the Pullution output from that would I am sure do more Envirenmental damage . The argument that that they would oppose any major building on the site simply would not Wash we all know the Developers would be in there like a flash . its time they surveyed the pollution in FAB from A325 ; M3 ; A331 But thats from cars not the plaything of the so called rich flyer . It stated some sort of Action against TAG could occur at FAB Fair enough but approach me and they will get a right earbashing
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Post by Admin (Annette Andria) on Mar 17, 2009 18:30:37 GMT 1
I Somtimes wonder if contacting the local Rags is of any Use . For my part i dont Bother i frequently have words with my local councillers as i did this morning you can discuss better that way . I completed the forms RUSHMOOR \TAG reqd and have always Done so , And i have Family living in Areas that say they are Disturbed in most cases the only Low level noise is WOKKAS over parts of Farnham crondel etc most FAB Flights are at a goog Height over there and only other noise close to there level is the Frequent London Airways Traffic. As for noise near Bisly all i ever hear is Rifle FIRE and a few Airways flights . Okey there is i admit some disturbance in the MYCHETTE area on 24 approach but far less nowadays with the much steeper approach they are still at Height . Many people will admit that unless they were canvassed and told that the increase would make there lives hell they would hadly noticed and probably muttered under there breath about noise and thats about all . I still maintain that the vast majority of people are not Bothered there far to busy and you will get the reply "ITS FARNBOROUGH what do you expect planes have always been here dont bother me "
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Post by Mike on Mar 18, 2009 21:01:05 GMT 1
I strongly believe that what ever is published in newspapers about Farnborough are in the most the views held by the minority, the point being their views are more controversial, thus more likely to be reported on.
For the majority of people they probably have no fixed point of view thus not noteworthy.
I'm not getting at the reporters of news items as it's their responsibility to record the views of all parties, it's unfortunate that Pete's point of view possibly doesn't reach the right quarter, thus doesn't become a headline. Perhaps if he worked for TAG then all of his good points could be fed out through their press office as responses to all the negative press ( it would also mean I wouldn't have to work with him & that would serve to bring more work my way)
Mike
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Post by Admin (Annette Andria) on Mar 18, 2009 22:03:41 GMT 1
hi
Tag in the press has always been "BIG BAD TAG" There no way you will ever change that . There is always the Same thing BIZ Aviation is the plaything of the rich and famous playboys FILMSTARS and the like never much said about corporate Side of things but lets not say there not entitled to use BIZ Jets they are its the public view that its all FAB is used For. Also in the back of the mind of many and its been put there deliberatly is the fear FAB Will end up us part of HEATHROW JUMBOS ETC And you will never convince them no. There are people up the road from me who watch the field at night and they swear Planes land there with no lights in early hours and have reported such. I sent a year or so ago a break down of All the local fields in the vicinity of FAB Likely hours and types of aircraft they had there and visited it was not used because it told as it was they dont want that they want to maintain the idea its all FAB and BIG BAD TAG.
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Post by Mike on Apr 3, 2009 23:04:26 GMT 1
Yet a further article from Pete Castle - I didn't realise that all traffic into FNB made a contribution to local community
Unspent £100k earmarked for green projects By Pete Castle April 03, 2009
More than £100,000 in funding for community groups, levied from the owners of Farnborough Airport, is sitting unspent in a council bank account.
The cash, raised since 2001 from airport owners TAG, is available to be used by community groups for any project that will improve the environment.
Any groups wanting to carry out projects within a three-mile radius of the airport are able to apply for the cash.
The majority of the urban area of Aldershot and Farnborough is covered by the zone.
Eastern parts of Fleet and Church Crookham are also included, as well as Mytchett, Heath End and Upper Hale.
TAG is forced to pay £2 into the fund for every take-off and landing at the airport.
The very largest aircraft using the airport, such as Boeing Business Jets (based on a Boeing 737) and Airbus A319 corporate jets, which weigh between 50 and 80 tons, pay £5 per movement.
There is currently £111,000 of unallocated cash in the council’s account, although a new instalment for last year’s movements — which should be worth £52,442 — is due shortly.
A total of £256,778 has been contributed since 2001.
The figures were released in a report that will be considered today by Rushmoor Borough Council’s executive cabinet.
The Conservative leaders of the council are due to ratify a formal procedure for the way groups apply for the cash.
Currently, grants are made by the leaders of the council without any formal appli-cation process in place.
In future, it is hoped that a more streamlined process will encourage more groups to apply for the cash.
This may result in more schemes to improve the en-vironment springing up in the area around the airport.
So far, there have been only four projects to successfully apply for money from the fund. These have included the renovation of the pond and installation of solar energy panels at Farnborough Community Centre and improvements at Fleet Pond.
If agreed by the council’s leaders, the new procedure will mean that advertisements are brought out every April to let people know about the fund and who is eligible to apply.
Proposed schemes will be judged against a new list of criteria, including that they will have to improve a public facility or site that can be accessed by anyone.
The schemes must be within the designated three-mile radius of the airport, or in an area that is regularly affected by aircraft taking off or landing at the airport.
Applications will have to be made in writing, detailing the benefit to the environment with an implementation plan and a clear timescale.
Brandon O’Reilly, chief executive of TAG Farnborough Airport, said he welcomed any attempt to make the funds more accessible to people around the airport.
“I am very much in favour of contributing to the com-munity and the environmental fund at whatever level has been set,” he said. “Those people that live, work and congregate around the airport and are involved in various groups — I would agree that as many as possible should be able to access these funds.
“These sort of schemes are absolutely appropriate for the airport to contribute towards.”
He added that the airport was aware that the level at which the levy was set in 2000 could be reviewed in coming years to reflect inflation and the expansion of the airport since it was opened.
Mr O’Reilly said. “It was set a while back. I am sure that as a result of any future changes at the airport we may see, if it was agreed there would be a re-vised variation on this.”
TAG has signalled its intention to apply this year for an expansion of its current 28,000 movements cap to allow an almost doubling of flights to 50,000 a year.
Mike
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Post by Admin (Annette Andria) on Apr 4, 2009 8:57:15 GMT 1
yes but as the article points out you need to apply cos the Councils seem to be sitting on it . Very few projects have so far got anything or even applied those that did all seemed Happy . how you Qualify i have no idea .
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