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Post by flyingtrack on Aug 23, 2008 7:55:59 GMT 1
5N-BKR now postponed until Saturday morning due crewing issues. ETA now approx 0830. G-BMRF DHL B757 also due around the same time One's on it's way 0750
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Post by flyingtrack on Aug 23, 2008 8:30:32 GMT 1
Here's the second one: The first landed:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2008 8:40:39 GMT 1
08:40 BST 5N-BKR landing shortly.......
Anyone know if it will be visible this afternoon, or is it going straight into a hangar please??
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Post by flyingtrack on Aug 23, 2008 8:48:29 GMT 1
Now the second:
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Post by flyingtrack on Aug 23, 2008 8:50:28 GMT 1
Flying track, thank you for those. With your permission I would like to send these screenshots to the Company to demonstrate its early warning value. No problem, of course if you had SBS-1 on the airfield you would get them right down to the runway. Good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2008 8:51:03 GMT 1
There wer no plans for 5N-BKR to go into the hangar over the weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2008 8:53:45 GMT 1
flyingtrack... SBS is fun, but don't let anyone compare it with the real thing!!
pwhighfield... many thanks. We'll peek over the fence later...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2008 9:55:14 GMT 1
Hi
5N-BKR parked just south of the run pan on the road. Will be easy to see from the north gate when the DHL 757 moves from the run pan.
Tony
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Post by Buster the Bear on Aug 23, 2008 20:45:53 GMT 1
Whilst travelling up to Luton this morning at around 08:40 we were blessed with a beautiful blue sky as we turned out of Alton and onto the Odiham Road we spied a 737 on final app. It looked white and blue, but then again, my eyesight is not what it once was!
Now all I have to do is jack my house up by around 200ft so I can look above the hill that we are set behind, to see final approach at Lasham!
SBS or Radar Box (we have one of those at the CTC) are ideal to locate inbound traffic well in advance and as you are high on the hill, your 'vision' should be superb!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2008 9:32:39 GMT 1
And now for the unusual arrival... Currently planned to ferry Hamburg - Lasham to arrive at 1030 Tuesday 26th August is Lufthansa A300-600 D-AIAI
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Post by flyingtrack on Aug 25, 2008 11:10:39 GMT 1
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Post by Buster the Bear on Aug 25, 2008 19:20:34 GMT 1
BLIMEY! That will make a nice fat blip!
Biggest ever movement?
Scrapping or being sold on?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2008 19:27:16 GMT 1
I believe it will be the largest ever movement. I do.t believe that the A300s of Dan-Air ever put in an appearance at Lasham, and the A300-600 is bigger than the Flyjet B767-200.
The aircraft is due to be parted out by ASI.
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Post by Buster the Bear on Aug 25, 2008 20:25:10 GMT 1
Parted out, a sad end, but inevitable! I would imagine that it is a high cycle airframe having been used on short haul?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2008 8:51:57 GMT 1
A300 arrival postponed until Thursday at the earliest
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Post by Buster the Bear on Aug 26, 2008 10:13:22 GMT 1
Brilliant news! I am at work today and I sure would like to witness it land.
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Post by flyingtrack on Aug 26, 2008 17:24:03 GMT 1
An open question, if you are permitted to say.
As an admirer of the job that Air Traffic Control people do can I ask how you track and deliver aircraft onto the runway at Lasham. This is a general question i.e. what type of kit do you use in general. I can see that London ATC feed the aircraft to Farnborough to a beacon and they usually do an overhead of their ILS positioning to the SE of Farnborough. At about 1500 Ft and 180 Kts they pass the aircraft to Lasham control. What I can’t understand is that my simple SBS-1 kit is providing you with data you might not have.
Again if you are not permitted to say I will understand.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2008 17:51:16 GMT 1
I will let Talkdownman expand on this but the SBS-1 kit enables us to get a much earlier confirmation that the aircraft is within range, and it will make us more efficient in mustering the firecrew and warning the gliding club that an arrival is imminent. I brought my own SBS into the office today to test for the arrival of the A300 but unfortunately it was postponed. However we did try it out, and just using the standard aerial we were able to pick up aircraft at high level heading east-west across the Cherbourg peninsular.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2008 18:02:06 GMT 1
Just had a quick check and am staggered by the number of views of this thread - 6026 at the time of checking - significantly higher than the next highest which was the Airshow thread which had 4650.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2008 19:01:22 GMT 1
flyingtrack.. Like Talkdownman, I am a retired Heathrow controller. T-man will probably comment on local matters but part of the answer to your query is concerned with basic radar technology. There are, very basically, two types of radar - Primary and Secondary.
Primary radar functions by the ground equipment sending out radio signals which bounce off targets (aircraft) and are reflected - some to the ground station which transmitted them. The ground equipment processes the time taken for the return into distance and, knowing the direction in which the beam was sent, can plot the bearing and distance on to a CRT-type display. No equipment is required on the aircraft for it to be displayed.
For Secondary Radar to function, aircraft must carry transponders which respond to signals sent from the ground by transmitting various data, ranging from a simple 4-figure code (a "squawk") allocated by ATC to details of a unique aircraft code, speed, height, heading, etc. All of this may be displayed to the radar controller. However, positional information is still derived in a similar way to primary radar by the use of very accurate, high-integrity, ground equipment.
Many aircraft transponders include new systems called Mode S and ADS-B (Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast) which also transmits the latitude and longitude of the aircraft derived from GPS and similar devices. It is not mandatory for aircraft to transmit ADS-B, although many do.
SBS receives certain Secondary radar Mode S responses and plots them in list format showing basic information about the aircraft. From ADS-B transmissions SBS derives the actual position of the aircraft and plots it on a virtual radar display. However, the integrity of ADS-B is nowhere near as high as ground-based radar. For one reason, crews have to re-calibrate their ADS-B equipment and, because it is not mandatory, some do not bother. This results in the strange sight on SBS of aircraft landing in Windsor Great Park when they should be at Heathrow!!
Primary radar equipment is fairly cheap and basic so many smaller airfields with light traffic use it rather than the more complex SSR - Lasham for example.
So, SBS will provide users with information from some aircraft which is not available to air traffic control. Aircraft flying in certain types of airspace are required to carry Secondary Radar Transponders so users of SBS living under such airspace will see plenty. Those in more remote areas may not..
There endeth Lesson 1. Hope it helps.....
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Post by flyingtrack on Aug 26, 2008 19:37:14 GMT 1
Thank you both for this it will help me try to understand why every airfield cannot be equipped by the very best available kit. Basically what we are saying you get what is the minimal need to land an aircraft but not to monitor it over a larger area. (that is of course assuming it is transmitting the right data). So ATC works on an area zone. High level transfers to local level etc... Etc... Appreciate your information. This explains why overshoots which extend beyond the radar scope of Lasham are handed back to Farnborough to reposition to Lasham.
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Post by Admin (Annette Andria) on Aug 26, 2008 22:15:07 GMT 1
HI Guys thank all this very good input and looking at that its Hardly Surprising the Amount of visitors to this thread keep it going please many many thanks
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Post by flyingtrack on Aug 27, 2008 7:43:42 GMT 1
Thank you to all that have given this information. I now understand more or less as much as I need to know. It makes sense now, the interaction between ATC controllers and how you position the landing aircraft to the two mile final. Excellent, thank you.
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Post by Buster the Bear on Aug 27, 2008 9:36:29 GMT 1
We have a rather unique airfield on our door step, from a mere glider to a heavy wide-body. You never know what you are going to see there next especially having witnessed Carolyn Grace perform a superb aerobatic display beyond the Southern boundary of Lasham earlier in the summer!
I would recommend a visit to the gliding club, the food is excellent and the view of the airfield is as good as anywhere else I know. If you have children, they have a climbing house, swings and a slide to keep them busy. Rumour has it that talkdownman has been seen availing himself of this entertainment in between movements!
The surveillance radar that is on site probably gives a much better return than modern processed radar and I would wager that its short final coverage is substantially better than at least two London airports that I am familiar with? New does not always equate to better!
Anyway, time to go and find out where they have decided (this time) to put the new City hold. I hope those gunners at shoeburyness are not too accurate!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2008 11:35:35 GMT 1
D-AIAI at Hamburg this morning. A few fuel leaks to fix Cheers, Peter
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Post by Buster the Bear on Aug 27, 2008 20:28:55 GMT 1
The only thing lacking on this forum is RSS feed. Never mind, I will just have to check back ultra regularly for news of the Airbus arrival.
Nice to get one up (soon) with the 'spotters' I work with, who thought I was going mad when I hinted that an A300 might be on its was to sunny Lasham!
Let Buster have the last laugh!
Now how about it arriving ahead of the DHL 757 as the opening event for the Lasham flying display on the 6th!
Guess what, no sooner than I posted this orginal message, I am receving email stating that it is due to arrive on Thursday. If it is leaking fuel, that sounds doubtful? Word is obviously out!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2008 21:02:32 GMT 1
Just received confirmation that the ferry is planned to depart Hamburg at 1330 local time Thursday, so it should arrive at Lasham between 1330 and 1400 UK time.
Should be a busy day tomorrow - following movements expected:- Jet2.com B757 G-LSAI to arrive at 0900 B727-200 HZ-AB3 to depart at 1000 B737-500 5N-BKQ to depart to paint at Filton at approx 1330 - will return around 5th September A300-600 D-AIAI due to arrive approx 1400 Hola B737-300 EC-JQX possible arrival - time to be advised
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Post by Buster the Bear on Aug 27, 2008 23:21:58 GMT 1
Anyone with actual arrival times/SBS data for the A300, get the info on here tomorrow ASAP! I have a date with Wall-E tomorrow at a similar time! If it is on schedule, I can make both! If not I have some excuses to make! Airbus or the cinema?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2008 23:32:55 GMT 1
Wall E is for life , Airbus won't even make Xmas.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2008 8:22:20 GMT 1
3(!) for today:
EXS031P G-LSAI 752 eta 0940 from LBA HZ-AB3 722 etd 1330 to MSE DLH8850 D-AIAI A306 eta 1345 from HAM
Cheers Alan
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