Noise Restrictions

[Buster the Bear]

The release from TAG.....
Dear Customer,

Please see below information regarding operating criteria at TAG Farnborough Airport. Following approval of the planning application for an increase in annual permitted movements, it is now appropriate to advise you of information regarding new, legally binding noise limitations for aircraft operating at TAG Farnborough Airport.

Currently, only aircraft types that are complaint with ICAO Chapter 3 criteria and above are permitted to operate. In accordance with the Airport Master Plan published in April 2009 and as a condition imposed to allow the increase in movements, noise restrictions at TAG Farnborough will be tightened to allow
only those jet aircraft meeting ICAO Chapter 4 criteria from January 1st 2013, with the exception of flying associated with the Farnborough International Airshow.

This does not mean they must hold a Chapter 4 noise certificate as only aircraft designed after 2006 may have this; however they must comply with Chapter 4 noise criteria.

Examples of types that currently operate at the airport which will not be permitted after January 1st 2013 are Cessna 560 Citation V, Dassault Falcon 20, Dassault Falcon 50, Gulfstream 3, Hawker 125-600A, Hawker 125-700A and Hawker Beechjet 400 depending on the individual engine type fitted to each aircraft.

Propeller driven aircraft with a MTOW of less than 8618kgs are exempt from this restriction.

[Admin (Annette Andria)]

Very few of older jets operate into FAB Such as G3 But many have been upgraded so i reckon
it will be a while before the list is complete of what can or cannot operate.
Rushmoor i have no Doubt will be very keen to keep checks on noise am pretty sure they do
now. The Anti Everything Brigade also will be briefed you can bet on that as recent talk with
one person who still assures me her and friends take it in turns to watch the field after dark
for late night early morning Flights there sure happen and they will prove it eventually
whats next give them noise meters to point .

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As far as I can tell most of FAB's movements are Cessna 560's so ouch, NetJets better get replacing

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May 5, 2011 21:53:10 GMT 1 @jph727 said:

As far as I can tell most of FAB's movements are Cessna 560's so ouch, NetJets better get replacing

No they won't, Netjets aircraft are Cessna Citation 560 Excels which is a completely different aircraft to the Citation 560 V in the release above

As the Excel's are fairly new, I'm guessing they are Stage 4 compliant

Martin

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What about the Cessna 550Bs? (Netjet's are in the CS-DH* registration range)

[Mike]

Small piece from our friends at the news, thought I'd TAG on the end of noise thread

Olympics will not affect neighbours, airport boss says
By Tim Harris
December 08, 2011

THE boss of Farnborough Airport has insisted steps will be taken to minimise disturbance caused by the inevitable increase in air traffic during the Olympics next year.

Brandon O’Reilly, chief executive officer of TAG Farnborough Airport, said the airport was working with the community to prevent added noise pollution as part of a ‘quiet flying programme’.

He said: “This is focused on reducing the effect of noise by, among other initiatives, routing aircraft over less densely populated areas.

“Noise complaints are at their lowest level since 2006 and we fully expect that trend to continue – even with some increase in the usual number of flights just before and after the opening and closing ceremonies of the Olympic Games.

“We believe the work we have done to mitigate the noise effect on the community will really be noticed.

“The Department for Transport factors in how many flights there are going to be. TAG Farnborough Airport will always remain well within permitted noise limits.”

Mr O’Reilly said the current number is around 20 complaints per month, but this figure had been as high as 100 in the past.

“The airport is not as noisy as it was,” he said. “As time goes by, aircraft get quieter. Over time, the noise from them actually shrinks because we have had improvements in aircraft.”

While next summer’s Games will see a significant increase in flight movements, some feel this will be accepted by local people because of the occasion of the Olympics.

“It is something that most residents are willing to accept because it is measurable,” said Geoff Marks, chairman of the Farnborough Airport Residents' Association. “The short-term increase in the number of movements arriving is because of TAG’s accommodation of the Olympic Games.

“I would say most residents would recognise the benefit to the national economy and will be prepared to put up with the increase in planes that arrive.”

There is a significant number of residents who live under the airport’s flights paths.

Councillor James Radley, who represents Church Crookham East for Hart District Council, said: “One thing we are aware of, it is during the summer months.

“This is when people will have their windows open and are out in their gardens, when the noise is of most disturbance.

“The Olympic Games are in the summer and there will be more flights – and I think it will lead to people being more annoyed, unfortunately.

“I am sure TAG must be conscious there will be noise annoyance consequences and they have decided to set aside the fact that they know they are going to cause increased noise annoyance for business commitments. That is their choice.”

The Olympic Games will take place between July 27 and August 12.

Earlier this year, TAG Farnborough Airport was granted approval by the government, to gradually increase the number of permitted flights a year from 28,000 to 50,000.


Mike

[Mike]

More from the News

Drop in complaints about airport noise
By Tim Harris
May 25, 2012

COMPLAINTS about noise from Farnborough Airport have more than halved in recent months.

TAG Farnborough Airport often receives complaints from residents and those under chartered flight paths.

Figures released by the airport and Rushmoor Borough Council show from October to December 68 complaints were made to the airport.

In the three months that followed, January to March, the number of complaints made was just 24.

Some of the reasons for the complaints included loud and noisy aircraft, out of hours flights, safety issues, fumes, aircraft flying low and aircraft not flying on a perceived track.

Many residents who live under flight paths however, said they do not have a problem with the airport, and those who complain should not be living in Farnborough.

Stewart Coxe, 58, of Clandon Court, said: “I have been living here for 18 years and I have not found a problem.

“To be honest, when you buy a house in this area, it is a fact it has got an airport near it. If people do not like aircraft, why move here?

“I cannot see why people should complain – they should move away if they don’t like it.”

Sixty-two-year-old John Coakley, of Farnborough Road, added: “I have lived here 16 years in the flight path, I have no complaints whatsoever.

“If people move in knowing what it is like and then start to complain it is completely wrong. Farnborough is more or less built around the airport.”

However, Geoff Marks, chairman of the Farnborough Airport Residents’ Association said aircraft flying over Farnborough can be an issue for residents, and complaint numbers may have dropped because people feel ‘helpless’.

“People get fed up with complaining,” he said. “People just get frustrated. There is that feeling of helplessness which is quite debilitating.

“It is well known that concerns over noise and aircraft noise, and the inability to do anything about it, can be so tough. It can bring on heart attacks.”

The complaints figures show many complaints actually come from outside Farnborough; from Fleet and Church Crookham in particular.

Jenny Radley, of Sandy Lane, Church Crookham, said: “It is an ongoing issue. Noise disturbance is one of the main issues for local people.

“This is an invasion of people’s peace and quiet at home, the aircraft just fly over their house and garden.

“Sometimes you can be talking on the phone, with the patio doors open, an aircraft comes up and you just cannot hear yourself think.”

In addition to Farnborough, Fleet and Church Crookham, complaints made to Farnborough Airport also came from Crookham Village, Mytchett, Farnham and Ewshot.

A spokesman for TAG Farnborough Airport said: “TAG Farnborough Airport is committed to improving the environment in and around the airport, which includes the reduction of noise.”


Mike

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What noise?
Move the whingers to Lakenheathe. They'l really moan there. Moaning can cause heart attacks. If super happy cant hear her phone for about 6-8 seconds, we'd best hover a harrier up her street. Then she'll have a reason to gripe. What's the matter with these poeple, are they really that bored,they envent thigs to whine about. And judging from where to gripes come from, just about all of them use louder types of aircraft to jet off on their hols. Which in my book renders them "hypocrites".
Oh look, I've feft dirty foot prints on my soap box.....hehehe

[Mike]

More on noise from the NEWS

Most airport complaints from outside town
By Tim Harris
June 18, 2012

THE vast majority of complaints about Farnborough Airport come from people living in the Fleet and Church Crookham areas, rather than Farnborough itself.

Recent figures have revealed that more than 60 complaints about noise from planes flying overhead have been made from the two areas in just six months.

Of the 64 complaints made by residents of Fleet and Church Crookham between October 2011 and March 2012, most were about aircraft not following correct flight paths.

Complainants claim aeroplanes flying to and from Farnborough Airport sometimes deviate from their chartered flight path and pass over their homes, causing disruption.

Diana Pengily, 53, of Portland Drive, in Church Crookham, said: “We get fed up with it, especially on Sundays. There have been a couple of aircraft that have been really throttling back and making a huge noise.

“It shakes the house and the noise reverberates.

“I do find it disruptive, it is a nuisance and a real aggravating noise.

“It is not acceptable – these pilots need to have their wrists slapped.”

Mrs Pengily said she appreciates that aircraft sometimes need to make necessary diversions in special circumstances, but she believes the moving from chartered flight paths is happening too freely.

Seventy-year-old Roy Keane, of Moore Close, Church Crookham, added: “Aircraft are flying over my garden and the area I live in.

“I find it very disruptive, it is noise pollution and it is air pollution.

“I find it unacceptable. If they have agreed a flight plan, they should stick to it – but they do not.

“It is wrong.”

Mrs Pengily and Mr Keane both said around six aircraft pass over their homes on a weekly basis.

Other complaints made by the residents of Fleet and Church Crookham were concerning out-of-hours flights, low and noisy aircraft and a helicopter not on its perceived course.

TAG Farnborough Airport defended its position and a spokesman said flight routes can sometimes be changed for ‘operational reasons’.

The spokesman added: “TAG Farnborough Airport is committed to reducing noise in and around the airport.

“We continue to work with local community representatives to do what we can to reduce noise.”

However, other people who live in the Fleet area said that while they noticed the aircraft, they were happy with it.

“They are not very large planes so it doesn’t bother me,” said Chris Marsh, of Medonte Close, in Fleet.

“I hear it but I do not take much notice. I have no problem with it.”

There has been mixed feeling among residents about whether complaining about the aircraft flying over their homes is worthwhile.

Some emphasised how critical it was for ensuring Farnborough Airport and Rushmoor Borough Council take note, while others rendered it ‘pointless’.

Still the same old few

Mike

Mr Keane added: “It is like banging your head on a brick wall – it is futile.”

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Yet again more noise complaints, majority from Fleet & Church Crookham


Farnborough Airport complaints exceed 400
By Tim Harris
January 21, 2013

MORE than 400 complaints have been made to Farnborough Airport during the last two years from people living around the area, new figures have shown.

The 402 complaints to TAG Farnborough Airport were lodged in 2011 and 2012, as residents voiced their concerns about the airport.

The figures, released by Rushmoor Borough Council, revealed the nature of the complaints included problems with noisy, low aircraft, planes apparently not flying on their correct paths and ground noise.

It is also clear the majority of complaints do not come from those in Farnborough itself, but instead the areas nearby. The figures showed more than 100 complaints were registered from each of Fleet and Church Crookham across the two year period while around 50 came from Farnborough.

Complaints were also made from Mytchett, Farnham, Ash Vale, Aldershot, Dogmersfield, Deepcut, Frimley Green and Guildford.

Roger Hunter, 72, of Denning Close, Fleet, said: “We have been subjected to noise many times because the aircraft are flying so low. It is quite unacceptable that they do that. The aircraft come thundering across the top of the house very low. In the summer you can be sitting in the garden and they go over. I find it very frustrating that there is nothing that can seem to be done about it.”

Fifty-year-old Graham Butler, of Malthouse Close, in Church Crookham, added: “I have complained on many occasions, but I think the level of complaints is only the tip of the iceberg.”

Hart District councillor Jenny Radley confirmed she lives under the flight path and said her ‘quality of life’ is affected.

“Clearly residents are concerned by aircraft flying over,” she said. “There is something about aircraft flying over your garden that is quite disturbing. They are frustrated by the flights.”

The figures show the number of complaints decreased last year. In 2011 there were 264 complaints made to Farnbor-ough Airport, but this number fell to 138 in 2012.

However, Geoff Marks, chairman of the Farnborough Airport Residents’ Association, said this might simply be a result of residents ‘tiring’ of complaining.

Mr Marks said: “One cannot place too much weight on the fact that the number of complaints has dropped. I do not think it shows that the number of people who are annoyed has gone down.

“Those who do complain find the answer unsatisfactory, there is no positive outcome from their complaint. People find that there is little outcome.”

Mr Hunter added: “With the complaints you are bashing your head against a brick wall, I think most people find.”

Miles Thomas, environment manager for TAG Farnborough Airport, insisted measures are in place to minimise noise around the airport.

“We understand that noise is an important concern for the local community and we welcome the decrease in annual complaints,” said Mr Thomas.

“We are committed to minimising noise. Only this month, we introduced a new measure to manage noise, by banning jet aircraft which do not meet the International Civil Aviation Organisation’s most stringent and quietest classification for jet aircraft.

“We know there is still work to be done and we will continue to consult our neighbours and experts on this important issue to identify ways of improving the noise environment around the airport.”

Regards

Mike S.

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Must of come as quite a shock to all those who bought houses near an airport that they could actually hear aircraft.

These people need to get a life, planes have never been so quiet and lets face it EGLF is hardly a constant stream of arrivals !!

Trev

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And no doubt the 'big bangs' you hear from the army ranges in the area are an annoyance too, and as for the long laborious wokka of the chinooks... The list goes on. Just as well the area hasn't benefited massively over the years on the back of the huge military spend. Next the 'locals' (you know the ones with proper rural hampshire / surrey accents) will be complaining about the influx of Gurkhas, northerners, jocks and taffs defending queen and country. Oh, they've already been there and done that too. And of course, none of the locals that complain have ever flown from other airfields for business or pleasure. But of course, the impact they have on other peoples' lives is perfectly acceptable, when it suits them.

[Admin (Annette Andria)]

Take a look at the new Empty blocks of houses and flats that have been built they found out there next to a very Noisy Smelly dangerous airport and have deserted them wanting a refund and Compo , if only that was 1 percent of the truth another Phase of flats and houses go on sale this coming week join the very long Que to buy one
houses all round the perimeter very close to runway and there very Expensive nearly all Full and there are people on long waiting lists ask any estate agent any problem selling cos of the NOISE no .so who really are these complainents . ok they have a right to peace but as said this airfield has been here for 100 years so
if you didnt know it was here then what were you doing on property search.?

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The glare of the runway lights through the lounge window can be very off putting you know ;o) Indeed, I recall a resident of Hemel Hempstead once complaining about the lit Kodak sign atop the Kodak building for the very same reason, even though he lived over half a mile away, and the sign was a couple of hundred feet up in the air. There's nowt as queer as folk!

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'censored' being 'q*u*e*e*r'. I didn't realise old yorkshire-isms could be offensive, particularly when they pre-date other connotations of the word. What is the world coming to?

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Been trying to buy a property under the approach for over nine months now, everytime one becomes available it is snapped up in very quick time !! and its not even as if these properties are below market prices due to the proximity of the flightpath! every house Ive declared an interest in has gone within the week ! and they say theres no money around...

[Admin (Annette Andria)]

on local tv tonight from FAB

www.itv.com/news/meridian/story/2013-01-30/airport-anger-over-business-flights/

Let it load then press Play

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www.hart.gov.uk/index/your_council/councillors_members_of_the_council_elected_representatives/your_council-councillors-district_councillors/district_councillor_james_radley.htm

Click on his declaration of interests....then scroll down to bottom and see what clubs he belongs to......!!!